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Chinese-American community in LS

Post by John_Lo » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:12 pm

I'm just wondering about interesting Chinese-American factions. Why nobody RP triads or chinese street gangs?

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Post by Project-P » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:51 pm

Its because people struggle to role play the culture and customs that come with it properly.
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Post by Shekh » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:34 pm

Faction named daytona boys did this successfully and they're starting back up in november.
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Post by bamz » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:43 pm

Triads is very hard to pull off. Triads are supposed to have a lot of power and that's near impossible to gain as an unofficial faction. It'd be really hard for one to develop and go through all the exhaustion to get official, where they can have the power their roleplay requires.

The only way is to start a Chinese community or gang that'd turn into a triad near their official or after they get official; so that the power is there. Other than that, all factions that start as a triad would just fail as seen multiple of times before.

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Post by Chemistry » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:13 pm

For whatever reason kids start bitching when you don't start from the bottom and grind for your faction like it's an mmorpg. Some of the best factions i've be in always simulated their development to a point where people questioned it because everyone did shit "too early," such as showcasing guns, violence, dominance, some sort of criminal establishment on the first few pages, and whatever else you bitch boys cry about. The name of this server should be ls-mmorpg instead of ls-rp. it's not pure roleplay or heavy roleplay, it's more of a grind and most of the players expect you to grind and already have it made up in their minds that in order to be a good roleplayer or have a good faction, you have to grind. I can go on a tangent.

To this day, an intelligent authority figure has yet to tell everyone how the game is supposed to be played. Are we supposed to be grinding out of character for what we want our characters to achieve, or roleplaying realistically and being able to simulate in-character events (some people already do it, but the rest frown upon it and bitch bitch bitch) for the sake of a new (e.g., Traids), but not entirely new faction/business/school/character/etc. establishment?

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Re: Chinese-American community in LS

Post by Apophis » Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:54 pm

Mickay wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:47 am
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Triad is stupid complicated and the know-hows don't take well to teaching people. Chinese culture is so wildly different and abstract in comparison to what we're used to.
The reason why people people fail at doing triads is because they try to do triads in the way you've described. They role-play off the boat Chinese people and try to go all out with the Chinese culture, and can't get it down, so they quit. They want to RP this sorta of high class level of triad that you see in documentaries, and not street level connected dudes in LS.
I think roleplaying triads is really difficult for even experienced roleplayers and without some sort of community or gang to base it off of in LS, completely without merit. That's already where a lot of factions go wrong. They try to roleplay triads. You have to be willing to do a lot of research and when you do, you start finding out about all these details and in real life, it's a lot more different than when people romanticize it. The term 'triads' was actually misused, but the misuse was embraced regardless, which means a lot of groups that are called triads, aren't actually triads per se, but regardless, they are transnational criminals and there is no unifying society or group with leaders like there would be with a NY based LCN crime family. It's more like professional criminals with different backgrounds who come together for a scheme or operation, usually involving different countries, people and criminal relationships, they make the profit and then take off in different paths, no one knowing more than they need to for the sake of the operation, to avoid law enforcement from catching up.

There's a lot of trends nowadays among these groups, one of them being the grow-ops; Mainland Chinese money buying real estate in Canada and U.S middle-class suburbs, these groups luring people over from Mainland China to work in these houses that are turned into "legal grow houses", and when they do, these immigrants who don't even speak English are actually forced to work as pretty much slaves in these straw purchased houses to pay off the debt of coming to the U.S. So this is what reality looks like for these 'triad' operations mostly and what they deal with. There's still very little information out on them still and most of it can be found in articles of the crimes and chaos they've left behind. A lot of immigration and green-card fraud, such as set-up sham marriages and abusing the laws of different countries such as; committing a credit card scheme in one country, selling the information into another and fleeing into a third, where it can be void with loopholes in the system and catching the person becomes a zero-sum game.

Anyways, there's a lot that can be done with this, like any roleplay, but it requires more effort and research to be sought out unlike say a street gang and it's more say attractive at first glance to roleplay a thug selling coke. Obviously, there are more low-end Chinese criminals as well and I would suggest anyone looking to roleplay a Chinese criminal organization to start from as low as possible because the only thing your faction is gonna end up if you've no experience is possibly ambitious and most likely you'll just be lost. It also requires a lot of understanding the culture and characters, being Chinese and growing up in the U.S to blue-collar families, all of it kind of rounds up these characters and it takes some time to understand, crips, bloods and LCN is just more accessible and talked about by the media and popular culture to a much better extent. I've done Chinese factions for a decade and I couldn't dream of doing a fully-fledged big operation like that unless I had a really solid core-member group who all understand what we're doing and are on the same page, but it just isn't very likely with something like this.
There's a few people who've been dedicated to the scene for a long time, suffice it to say that there's even developed a small community of like-minded people who still talk about and plan out Chinese factions on occasion.

The term "triad" is also unhelpful.
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Re: Chinese-American community in LS

Post by Molina » Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:08 pm

As somebody who has lived in China for two years, it's incredibly difficult to be comfortable with all their customs and I think anybody wishing to roleplay as an asian street gang would be hard done by trying to learn those customs, even with research. It's a very unfamiliar concept which is the main reason for their downfall. Not saying that they're bad or not creative enough, just that it's a very hard thing to pull off realistically.

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Re: Chinese-American community in LS

Post by Apophis » Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:59 pm

Molina wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:08 pm
As somebody who has lived in China for two years, it's incredibly difficult to be comfortable with all their customs and I think anybody wishing to roleplay as an asian street gang would be hard done by trying to learn those customs, even with research. It's a very unfamiliar concept which is the main reason for their downfall. Not saying that they're bad or not creative enough, just that it's a very hard thing to pull off realistically.
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Re: Chinese-American community in LS

Post by Mickay » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:44 pm

Molina wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:08 pm
As somebody who has lived in China for two years, it's incredibly difficult to be comfortable with all their customs and I think anybody wishing to roleplay as an asian street gang would be hard done by trying to learn those customs, even with research. It's a very unfamiliar concept which is the main reason for their downfall. Not saying that they're bad or not creative enough, just that it's a very hard thing to pull off realistically.
Well Asian street gangs in the U.S don't have the same customs as ethnic Chinese since a lot of the members consist usually of American born asians and roleplaying these street gangs is much less complex than roleplaying Asian organized crime and characters with different cultural backgrounds.
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Re: Chinese-American community in LS

Post by Molina » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:41 pm

Mickay wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:44 pm
Molina wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:08 pm
As somebody who has lived in China for two years, it's incredibly difficult to be comfortable with all their customs and I think anybody wishing to roleplay as an asian street gang would be hard done by trying to learn those customs, even with research. It's a very unfamiliar concept which is the main reason for their downfall. Not saying that they're bad or not creative enough, just that it's a very hard thing to pull off realistically.
Well Asian street gangs in the U.S don't have the same customs as ethnic Chinese since a lot of the members consist usually of American born asians and roleplaying these street gangs is much less complex than roleplaying Asian organized crime and characters with different cultural backgrounds.
You're right - it depends what type of people they're portraying whether it'll be third generation criminals, first generation criminals, or just ones who closely follow traditional customs as their ancestors. This is why it isn't impossible, just difficult if they have not got the foundation set.

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Re: Chinese-American community in LS

Post by Airwalker » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:15 pm

If anyone is gonna roleplay a branch of triad or something similiar, please hit me up with a message! I'd like to enjoy some chinese roleplay!

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Re: Chinese-American community in LS

Post by AceS| » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:35 am

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